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Victoria's avatar

One of the most refreshing povs i’ve seen in this discourse. We often, especially among women, fall into this ongoing narrative of criticism and categorization—constantly debating which version of feminism suits us best in the moment. We tend to villainize other women and completely overlook where (or from whom) the system of female objectification originates—a system that never truly ends. I believe she has always been explicit and open about her sexuality, yet the same discourse is endlessly perpetuated.

When it comes to short women with round faces:

All my life, I’ve struggled with comments about having a “baby face.” I’m 21, and the number of crude, unsettling remarks I’ve received—specifically from middle-aged men—about my age and appearance is absolutely disturbing. It has deeply impacted how I see myself and has shaped my personal journey between girlhood and womanhood.

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sara jin li's avatar

thank you for reading! i read her rolling stone interview after writing this, but wish i had time to include what she said about writing about other subjects besides sex, but the ones that fans (and even casual listeners) make viral are the ones being cheeky about sex. female objectification and female agency (in sex) is such a complicated, nuanced conversation that i hesitate to agree with anyone's one opinion about it, especially if it's reactive or very b/w.

and also same! i have a round face & i'm 5'2 & asian so regardless of what i do, i'm being sexualized. but if i express sexuality, i'm leaning into this kind of lolita bait? like you really really cannot win when your only lens to see the world through is the male gaze

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Victoria's avatar

I think that’s exactly what it’s about!!! You could even bring in cancel culture theory here, and the general lack of commitment to forming nuanced opinions. “It is much more easy to have sympathy with suffering, than it is to have sympathy with thought." is one of my favorite quotes. We’re living in a time where any opinion can lead to radicalization, without actually educating ourselves on the facts.

And honestly? Fuck them. You sexualize me because you have infantilized fetishes, but I’ll never be “woman enough” in your eyes because of how I look. Truly and as said you can never win!

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jani's avatar

perfect commentary on this ! thank you queen

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sara jin li's avatar

thank you for reading!!

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Caroline Beuley's avatar

Such a nuanced, detailed perspective Sara! I really enjoyed reading this, and I think what is perhaps most striking is how, even as we interrogate all these facets of Sabrina Carpenter, male celebrities are under so much less scrutiny, able to just focus on their art.

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